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Attention Citizen:
The term "private business" has not been recognized for over 40 years. It has been replaced by the term "Public Accomodation" which was brilliantly created by the US Supreme Court.
Sacrificing "private business" was necessary to keep the peace during the civil rights movement, and for other reasons later, including providing for (un)equal access to business by the handicapped.
Report immediately to your nearest reindoctrination center for further instuctions in right-thinking.
Such dissent WILL NOT BE TOLERATED in this society!
Thank you,
Big Brother

Welcome, Dale, and well said. The totalitarians (yes, even here) will try to reframe the debate, will try to ignore the fact that people, smokers and nonsmokers alike, both workers and customers, should have the CHOICE! And that government should not intrude in that choice. I understand the Toledo Blade is firmly on the side of the anti-smokers like much of the rest of the socialist press. Fight on. Some of us will do anything we can to help.

However, DefCon, SCOTUS DID say in LLOYD CORP. v. TANNER, 407 U.S. 551 (1972) involving rights associated with property ownership pointed out that property does not “lose its private character merely because the public is generally invited to use it for designated purposes.”

Just have to find someone to fight the irrational intrusion on that basis. Or any other. Got a few million bucks just burning a hole in your pocket?

Fairly well said, Dale.
Welcome to the fray.
Be prepared to be called everything form addict to libertarian to anarchist, whether you smoke or not.

Be prepared to be called everything form addict to libertarian to anarchist, whether you smoke or not.

Like, for example:

Love Letters from the Anti-Smoking Nazis

Oh no! Madame, the link takes you to the page for just a second and then runs past it to a "pafe not found" error.
I can't even hit it going directly to Smokers' United main page.

Oh no! Madame, the link takes you to the page for just a second and then runs past it to a "pafe not found" error. I can't even hit it going directly to Smokers' United main page.

It still shows fine on my browser, but here they are in all their glory.

These are actual quotes from message boards on the internet, from anti-smoker material, and from news articles.

Just because you smoke!

If you doubt that the War on Smokers has turned nasty and dangerous, read these messages. And there are more of them in the same vein every day on newsgroups, forums and message boards as well as in daily newspapers and other media.

THE WAR ON SMOKERS MUST STOP!

Smokers have **NO** rights to fix their filthy addiction in public, (never did, never will!) any more thanore than crack addicts have a right to smoke in public ... get back into your foul smelling smoke-house addict. So stay home and smoke you wretch. Invite some meth monsters and pipe ho's over and reminisce about the "good old days" .

I hope you morons all die of cancer and I look forward to you going under the anesthetic just before the surgeon makes that incision above your adams apple to remove the cancerous growth eating up your cells. Smokers are like blacks, they are poisoning our society, Hitler had great ideas, maybe it is time to bring back Auswitz.--Joe Bird, 3/12/02, SWA Forum

Smokers violate me Here's my proposal: Yes, it is every smoker's right to smoke (inhale). But as the smoker exhales, he is violating the rights of everyone around him to breathe smoke-free air. (I won't bother with "clean" air, as this really doesn't exist anymore.) As it is against the law to violate someone without his consent in any definition of the word, it should be against the law to exhale - with a charge of attempted murder. Moreover, smoking parents should be arrested for child endangerment and attempted murder if caught smoking around their kids. Smokers are always bellyaching about their rights as smokers. What about the rights of us non-smokers? We have no desire to be around you, your smelly clothes, yellow teeth, bad breath, wrinkly skin, chronic coughing and "nic fits." Smokers in my opinion are mentally ill criminals. They should quit or be put down.Like the mad dogs they are.--Kristi, published letter to the Editor, Pioneer Press, 3/15/02

Since the smoker shortens his lifespan by smoking, and therefore reduces the number of his taxpaying years, it only makes sense to tax him as much as possible during each year of his abreviated life, since we have such a narrow window of opportunity for squeezing taxes out of him. I therefore propose, that in addition to tobacco taxes, smokers should pay more in income and sales taxes, too. --thomasjob, 8/26/02--iwon Smoking and Big Tobacco

Allowing people to smoke in public places is akin to allowing people to defecate in public pools.--Rockitz, 8/24/02, Free Republic

boo hoo hoo for the worthless drug addicts. weed head junkies deserve no sympathy and must be stamped out.--ccmay, 8/.14/02, Free Republic

I WILL SMACK ANY SMOKER WHO COMES WITHIN A FEW FEET OF ME.-- capt_archer2003, 8/15/02, Yahoo Health Board

There is nothing at all "sad" about the demise of such a terrible place (a restaurant that permits smoking). That restauranteur was operating the tobacco equivelent of a crack-house, for heaven's sake. He was making his living by providing a place for drug addicts to gather, and operating a nuisance in the process. And as for the smoking patrons of this crack-house operation, they have opted to abandon both their smoking and non-smoking "friends" alike, as well as their social tradition of gathering in the restaurant, because they would rather spend time with their drug than with people. That is not the fault of the heath department--that's the anti-social nature of addiction. Now these pests are where they belong when smoking--at home--and the majority of people are better off for it. --thomasjob, 8/15/02, iwon Smoking and Big Tobacco

they should be rounded up into concentration camps so they can smoke themselves straight to hell-- liberalstendtobehavenots, 8/15/02, Yahoo Health Board

Posted by Janice Pro-smokers are nothing but drug pushers who are helping to destroy our youth and our society.

Posted by pilot You smell, your clothes smell, your cars smell, your homes smell, your breath reaks, your teeth are yellow and your lungs are black!!!

Posted by clean lungs You filth. I'll rejoice the day the doctor sticks a traech tube in your throat and you scream from the pain and agony of chemo!! Burn in hell.

cornpop991@my-dejanews.com The fact is, you're just a dumb addict who can't stand the thought of people holding a mirror up to you. Just think, the stench of your addiction is going to be on billboards all across the nation? What will people be thinking when they see you getting your fix?

viper34358@aol.com Yes go ahead and smoke you neanderthals, but do it at home with your windows all sealed shut so you can get the full benefit

paul@cml.com All you smokers are idiots. Die.

bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu Why do antis harass smokers? If smoking were not so horrendously evil no one would bother to think about it.

01trmarsh@bsuvc.bsu.edu But when they smoke in my presence they should be stopped and if possible destroyed.

Question: (What would you do about the 50,000,000 smokers who the ban would drive onto the black market?)

(Answer) ÊShoot every last one of them

voxitar@aol.com I vote to kill all smokers...perhaps then, and only then, will the putridness of their disgusting habits be truly understood.

(Very vocal and unrelenting hatred from the Yahoo message forum) Darwinna: How many cigarettes did your kids smoke today because of you? Doc is right, you should be locked up. Smoking around children is child abuse, pure and simple.

You both [spoken to me and another poster] personify everything disgusting about smokers

Ever heard of idiopathic retardation? It's what happens to children of mothers who smoked during pregnancy.These babies are born with an addiction to nicotine - the first "gift" their selfish and ignorant mothers give them.

Shana Sherman--CNN forum: So Kath,not only justifiably taking their children away from them, we could trade all smokers and defenders of addictive nicotine as slave labor and legalize paying them wages of two packs a day.until the remaining tobacco products are used up and there are no more!

seeking.geo: Smokers should never have children unless they never smoke within 100 feet of them. I want smoking n the presence of a minor child to be a CRIMINAL charge. My daughter, a social worker, tells me that most child abusers are smokers which stands to reasons since smoking Is the worst form of child abuse.

More seeking.geo: Another situation might be that an employee is known to be an addicted smoker and he/she has small children at home. If the emploer knows that this employee smokes inside the house or in the car when his kids are there, then the employer is again required to report this - since smoking around helpless children is probably the worst form of child abuse next to murdering them.

lobley@primex.co.uk-- if Democracy allows poeple to throw away their lives (or at least considerably lower the quality of their lives) by smoking then democracy isn't a good thing.

Rosie O'Donnell: There's no such thing as being too rude to a smoker.

sylvain@accent.net : Smokers should be shot and killed on sight!

More from Yahoo: Do you deny that secondhand smoke kills thousands of babies each year from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome? Why is it that you are so opposed to murdering children with baseball bats, but not opposed to killing them with secondhand smoke? One is OK and not the other?

From Jennifer, respiratory therapist: I just have to say, I hope you never do get sick. Because if you do, please do not use the Medicare/Medicade that I have paid for by taxes used to provide quality care for those in need. To me, someone who denies the risk they are taking, does not deserve my help. Nor the help of any physician, nurse, hospital, etc. .

From alt.smokers, anonymously: Suck Harder and Faster NOW you WRETCHED addicts, your ownscummy stinky ADDICTED brethren, 700,000 of them have decided to kill the drug pusher that feeds their addiction!! Ha Ha, its the Stinky Smokers who are destroying Big Tobacco! Don't get left "cold-turkey", better stock up that 10 year supply, and find another wretched drug addiction to fix your addled brains. How's it feel to get kicked to the curb, by your own kind, like a used up whore?

alt.smokers: Just returned from a trip via the Orlando Airport. You should see the segregated small glass rooms that the Addicted Smoker Losers must sequester themselves into, by law, to fix their wretched addiction. Like dirty monkeys in a cage on display, their faces sullen and depressed with the pathos of their junkie addiction. Downtrodden and depressed, ashamed as the rest of the populace passed by without the need to fix a helpless drug addiction. Sullen sunken eyes peering out from the blue haze filled chamber of death that these cretinsmust incarcerate themselves into just to fix up before they can even walk to the end of the terminal. Its humorous to watch these pathetic addicted simians, eyes sullen by despair, grotesquely overweight and pale corpses, wrinkled ugly and worn skin, all caged together in a stinky, smelly smoky filled chamber or wretch where they belong ... ha ha ha, suck harder and faster now you wretched whores! Even these putrid human scum can't stand the stink and filth of their own repugnant drug addiction, and every single one of them, without fail, approached the segregated chamber, and hesitated entering the cancerous blue fog before first opening and preparing their drug fix outside the death chamber, waiting until the last possible second before stepping inside to light the putrid drug delivery device they had placed at the ready in their nicotine stained, foul smelling rotting suck-holes. So even these smokers can't stand the filth and putrescence of SHS, except when absolutely necessary while fixing their own drug jonez ... ha ha ha, what a glorious and appropriate example of the true position in society that wretched addicts deserve, caged dirty monkeys on display for the entertainment of the rest of us ... ha ha. Suck harder and faster now you wretched addicted scum!

Company Press Release Source: Action on Smoking and Health ASH: Parental Smoking Kills 6,200 Kids Each Year and Costs $8.2 Billion; But Law Is Finally Beginning to Crack Down on Major Form of Child Abuse; At Least Fifteen States Will Take Away Custody if Necessary to Protect Kids

From MSNBC forum: IT IS A CHRISTIAN'S DUTY TO BE ANTI-TOBACCO

Smoking itself is a sin against God. Other sins which touch on the issue of tobacco are listed below. Some of these are not necessarily practiced by every smoker, or have less serious social consequences:

1. Littering on public and private property.

2. Causing forest fires by throwing lit objects on public and private property.

3. Harming wildlife who ingest littered cigarette butts.

4. Remaining in chemical addiction to a substance.

5. Engaging in what the entire world agrees is a "filthy and disgusting habit."

6. Using a gateway drug to harder drugs.

7. Self-murder.

From the Free Republic forum: Listen, the govenment and the people by consession have given up their right to judge what they may take in their bodies and I say the American people have lost control and MUST be stopped from their self destructive behaviors. You may be able to handle your tobacco but many don't and ALL Americans have to pay for their selfish behavior.

Enough is enough. Ban 'em and if you want to smoke 'em that bad, MOVE!! Tobacco stinks and tobacco smokers should just move or be severely penalized. Prison for all who persist in the addiction. Think of the example you are setting for the children by your continued smoking. Stop or go to prison or move. It is your choice. --341 Posted on 02/08/2001 20:24:38 PST by Cato

Every time I see a smoker flick their butt onto the ground for someone else to pick up it just infuriates me. It is bad enough that we have to put up with your nasty habit but to then to heap on the offense by not even cleaning up after yourself is too much. Nothing a bullet wouldn't fix that is . Unless you are changing your clothes after each smoke, then I do have to put up with your filthy habit. Smoker’s have no idea how bad they reek since they can’t smell their own filth. I bet a pig that is rolling around in its own filth thinks it smells just fine. --201 Posted on 02/06/2001 13:32:06 PST by AlanSC

From the American Legacy Foundation forum: to discourage youth smoking , instead of only talking about cancer , much more emphasis should be placed on the uglyness of "Smokers Face" stinking tobacco breath, premature baldness, impotence, the 400% increase in AIDS suseptibility in smokers and the huge amount of radioactive Polonium 210 (A pack a day smoker gets 200 chest x-rays of radiation each year.)concentrated in tobacco leaves. --Andrew Dance Clubs and Second Hand Death (Posted - 2/8/01 5:30:00 PM

12/04/2000 Author:Jerri Blavitt³ Isn't it about time we changed the drug laws to include smoking as a criminal offense? Now you understand why smokers will continue to be harassed, taxed, restricted and humiliated back into the grotesque stench-pits they call home by a society that has been too tolerant for far too long.

Stag7Tines Wednesday August 09, 2000 : I charge the tobacco company CEO's with GENOCIDE. They should be executed along with all the politicians who took money from them and collaborated.

Larry --dialup005.net1.gen.eznet.net I demand that this nicotine addiction not be allowed to be spread to another generation by the outlaw tobacco industry. I demand that smokers go quietly into their private, dark, closed dens and smoke themselves to death as the last generation hooked to this hideous, worthless practice.

"This media campaign, which is one part of a comprehensive, multifaceted program, has the goal of reducing tobacco use in California by promoting a social norm that does not accept tobacco." -- A California Department of Health Services, Tobacco Control Section, request for proposals from qualified agencies to provide services for a comprehensive media campaign. August 2, 1996

"We have to treat them like human beings, I suppose."-- Pat Swinton, general manager of the Westin Hotel in Cincinnati, Ohio, in reference to the fact that she allows her employees to take smoking breaks on the loading dock. USA Today, July 10, 1996

Finally, some verbatim excerpts from a letter to the editor of the Lexington KY Herald Leader, 1/11, signed by one "R.Ray Little: "The way to elminate the scourge [of smoking] is to make it socially unacceptable. First pass a federal law making it a felony to smoke in the airspace of a non smoker or a child under 18. Second, do not allow smoking anywhere...All movies and TV programs that show people smoking should be banned. Officers of the law who do not enforce tobacco laws or who violate them by smoking should be incarcerated."